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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 16:04:05 GMT 1
Ive been wondering, Myrm said daddylong legs spiders are the most VENOMOUS spiders in the WORLD but dont have the fangs to deploy the VENOM. But VENOM has to be injected into the blood stream to be nasty, so eating it would be fine. If the daddylong legs spider was POISONOUS then this whole paragraph would be a waste of time. . .
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Post by Myrm on Oct 8, 2010 8:35:10 GMT 1
Hi LaSiUs BiN lId I guess if you ingest poison then could it not still kill you as it is absorbed into the bloodstream by the natural processes in the stomach/intestines?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 15:33:22 GMT 1
Not humans, dont know why, know idea about ants though, do the even have lil tiny veins and arteries?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 15:51:04 GMT 1
I quote from wikipedia:
There is an urban legend stating that daddy long-legs spiders have the most potent venom of any spider, but that their chelicerae (fangs) are either too small or too weak to puncture human skin; the same legend is also repeated of the harvestman and crane fly, also called "daddy long-legs" in some locales. Indeed, pholcid spiders do have a short fang structure (called uncate). However, brown recluse spiders also have uncate fang structure, but are able to deliver medically significant bites. Either pholcid venom is not toxic to humans or there is a musculature difference between the two arachnids, with recluses, being hunting spiders, possessing stronger muscles for fang penetration.
In 2004, the Discovery Channel show MythBusters set out to test the daddy long-legs myth (Season 1, Episode 13 "Buried in Concrete"). After measuring the spider's fangs at approximately 0.25 mm (average human skin thickness varies from about 0.5mm to 4mm), the show's host was apparently bitten, although the bite produced little more than a mild short-lived burning sensation. This appears to confirm the suspicion that pholcids can penetrate human skin, but that their venom is practically harmless to humans. Additionally, recent research by Alan Van Dyke has shown that pholcid venom is actually relatively weak in its effects on insects as well.
According to the University of California at Riverside, the daddy long-legs spider has never harmed a human and there is no evidence that they are dangerous to humans.
The urban legend ostensibly stems from the fact that the daddy long-legs spider is known to prey upon deadly venomous spiders, such as the redback, a member of the black widow genus Latrodectus. By extrapolation, it was thought that if the daddy long-legs spider could regularly kill a spider capable of delivering fatal bites to humans, then it must be more venomous, and the uncate fangs were accused of prohibiting it from killing people. In reality, it is merely quicker than the redback.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 18:05:10 GMT 1
Good answer so. . . if they do eat it then ants ll be ok? I forgot, exalt stender
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 19:16:44 GMT 1
Not really sure how it works with ants but read this: When animals that feed on poisonous snakes eat their prey, they also eat the venom that snake has stored up. But this venom that would kill other animals does not kill the snake's predator. Why? Because these predators have a built-in resistance to the venom of the snakes they eat. An opossum can eat a rattlesnake, venom and all, and only suffer a mild reaction. The same amount of venom that goes into the opossum's stomach would be enough to kill a horse. Then again an opossum works different then an ant, so I'm not sure yet. But I would suggest not to try it, still ants might be smart enough to stay away from the poison. Not sure if wild ants would try to eat it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2010 0:10:14 GMT 1
I quote from wikipedia: There is an urban legend stating that daddy long-legs spiders have the most potent venom of any spider, but that their chelicerae (fangs) are either too small or too weak to puncture human skin; the same legend is also repeated of the harvestman and crane fly, also called "daddy long-legs" in some locales. Indeed, pholcid spiders do have a short fang structure (called uncate). However, brown recluse spiders also have uncate fang structure, but are able to deliver medically significant bites. Either pholcid venom is not toxic to humans or there is a musculature difference between the two arachnids, with recluses, being hunting spiders, possessing stronger muscles for fang penetration.
In 2004, the Discovery Channel show MythBusters set out to test the daddy long-legs myth (Season 1, Episode 13 "Buried in Concrete"). After measuring the spider's fangs at approximately 0.25 mm (average human skin thickness varies from about 0.5mm to 4mm), the show's host was apparently bitten, although the bite produced little more than a mild short-lived burning sensation. This appears to confirm the suspicion that pholcids can penetrate human skin, but that their venom is practically harmless to humans. Additionally, recent research by Alan Van Dyke has shown that pholcid venom is actually relatively weak in its effects on insects as well.
According to the University of California at Riverside, the daddy long-legs spider has never harmed a human and there is no evidence that they are dangerous to humans.
The urban legend ostensibly stems from the fact that the daddy long-legs spider is known to prey upon deadly venomous spiders, such as the redback, a member of the black widow genus Latrodectus. By extrapolation, it was thought that if the daddy long-legs spider could regularly kill a spider capable of delivering fatal bites to humans, then it must be more venomous, and the uncate fangs were accused of prohibiting it from killing people. In reality, it is merely quicker than the redback.Good find, I didnt know that and it certainly lays that myth to bed in my mind. I have for many years argued the fact that this is not true but could never outweigh the huge myth that everybody seems to believe. Thanks for that I will now point my doubters to this extract. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2010 8:42:12 GMT 1
OMG when ever I think i have the answer there's another Wiki page contradicting itself! IM NOT SURE MY FRAGILE KIDDIVINKLEZ MIND CAN TAKE IT! ((brain explodes))
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Post by Myrm on Oct 9, 2010 11:32:58 GMT 1
OMG when ever I think i have the answer there's another Wiki page contradicting itself! That's why I never rely on Wikipedia for "official" information. It is built up by anybody, not any authority on any given subject. IM NOT SURE MY FRAGILE KIDDIVINKLEZ MIND CAN TAKE IT! ((brain explodes)) *Fixes LaSiUs BiN lId'S brain and gives it a better (((HUG))) ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 17:47:35 GMT 1
I heard the info on wikipedia would get on average a B+ for correct information. So that would be about 70%-75%?
anyway not sure if it helps but I have seen my cat kill them and then eat it, disgusting I know. Not the same as ants but if the reasoning would be the poison then the same theory might apply. If it was me though I would take no chances.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 21:53:39 GMT 1
There's three different creatures that are often referred to as a Daddy Long Legs. The first and most common is the crane fly (which my ants loved when I found a small one). These are harmless.
The second one is the Harvest Man. It's a type of arachnid that looks like a spider but isn't, as it doesn't have a visibly separate head, unlike a spider. This, too, is harmless.
The third is an actual spider. At first, it can look like a Harvest Man but you'll note it has two distinct parts to its body. This is the creature that's attributed to the myth about it being dangerous, but a myth it is. This spider is also completely harmless to humans, although I would air on the side of caution giving any spiders live to a young colony. Larger colonies should have no problems though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 22:24:45 GMT 1
I quote from wikipedia: There is an urban legend stating that daddy long-legs spiders have the most potent venom of any spider, but that their chelicerae (fangs) are either too small or too weak to puncture human skin; the same legend is also repeated of the harvestman and crane fly, also called "daddy long-legs" in some locales. Indeed, pholcid spiders do have a short fang structure (called uncate). However, brown recluse spiders also have uncate fang structure, but are able to deliver medically significant bites. Either pholcid venom is not toxic to humans or there is a musculature difference between the two arachnids, with recluses, being hunting spiders, possessing stronger muscles for fang penetration.
In 2004, the Discovery Channel show MythBusters set out to test the daddy long-legs myth (Season 1, Episode 13 "Buried in Concrete"). After measuring the spider's fangs at approximately 0.25 mm (average human skin thickness varies from about 0.5mm to 4mm), the show's host was apparently bitten, although the bite produced little more than a mild short-lived burning sensation. This appears to confirm the suspicion that pholcids can penetrate human skin, but that their venom is practically harmless to humans. Additionally, recent research by Alan Van Dyke has shown that pholcid venom is actually relatively weak in its effects on insects as well.
According to the University of California at Riverside, the daddy long-legs spider has never harmed a human and there is no evidence that they are dangerous to humans.
The urban legend ostensibly stems from the fact that the daddy long-legs spider is known to prey upon deadly venomous spiders, such as the redback, a member of the black widow genus Latrodectus. By extrapolation, it was thought that if the daddy long-legs spider could regularly kill a spider capable of delivering fatal bites to humans, then it must be more venomous, and the uncate fangs were accused of prohibiting it from killing people. In reality, it is merely quicker than the redback.I was going to bring that up , yes it is a myth but if that was real I would never ever go 100 metres between one! I know they (if they did have venom) don't have the fangs to deploy it but I'm still scared of them (I actually have a phobia over harvestman spiders and daddy-longlegs ) so there wouldnt be a chance of me getting bit because I'll be in australia by the time it takes off!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2011 2:13:12 GMT 1
If you're phobia towards such things is that bad, I wouldn't recommend going to Australia of all places.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2011 6:46:55 GMT 1
Ok I will take note of that comment as I would just practically freeze if I see one ! I have always wanted to go to australia anyway so I guess you just smashed that .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2011 8:51:24 GMT 1
I've fed ants harvest men, they have one leg longer than the others! Yes my question was if the daddylong legs with no wings were bad
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